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|2619: St Andrews
and St George's West, Edinburgh, Scotland
Worshipper: Deputy Verger.
Andrews and St George's West, Edinburgh, Scotland.
of Scotland, Presbytery
The church sits slightly west of, rather than right on, St Andrew’s
Square, because a wealthy Scot had snapped up the land intended
for it before construction began. This building was opened in
1784 as an integral part of the New Town development of Edinburgh.
It has an unusual elliptical shape, while maintaining neo-classical
design and features. It starts with a portico graced by Roman
columns, above which rises a graceful steeple. But rather than
corners as one might expect, as the building progresses eastward
it curves away. The interior is bright, open and spacious, with
rows of blue padded chairs repeating the ellipse shape. The
pews have been replaced with modern chairs in the centre of
the nave, but there are a few rows of pale wood box pews left
at the back on the ground floor, and more above in the gallery.
There are stained glass windows at the east and west ends, and
double rows of clear windows on the sides, so the space is very
bright. The tower contains the oldest complete ring of bells
in Scotland, cast in 1788 when the church was new and refurbished
This is an amalgamation of two church communities: St Andrew's
with St George's West. The congregations merged in 2010 and
operated both buildings until earlier this year, when St George's
was sold. This is a very active community church in the centre
of town, home to the massive Christian Aid Week book sale each
summer as well as the charity’s winter art sale. It’s a registered
eco-congregation and hosts a monthly meeting of Amnesty. There
is an ongoing autumn lecture series and there are also various
children’s activities, including Scouts and Guides.
This part of Edinburgh, known as the New Town, was developed
in the late 18th century in response to overcrowding in the
Old Town. Together they now form a UNESCO World Heritage Site.
The graceful Georgian architecture and integrated squares have
been well preserved, and properties here are priced to match
their desirability. The Dome, a fancy restaurant and wedding
venue across the street from the church, was all decked out
for Christmas already.
The Revd Ian Y. Gilmour, minister, presided and preached. Ali
Pandian gave the children's talk, and Swarup Bar delivered the
intercessions. Winnie Cumming read both the readings. The organists
were Andrew Carvel and James McNeil, and the music was directed
by Chris Harding. The minister was wearing a blue cassock –
St Andrew's blue, I would call it – the same colour as the Scottish
flag. Ali Pandian was in street clothes.
The date & time:
All Saints Sunday, 3 November 2013, 11.00am.
What was the name of the service?
How full was the building?
Quite full on the ground floor. There were about 100 people.
The upper galleries were empty except for the organists and
choir, and could have seated another hundred, but there were
not many empty spaces in the padded-chair section in the nave.
There was a sprinkling of generally elderly faithful in the
box pews at the back – one got the impression they had their
own habitual seats.
Did anyone welcome you personally?
There was a formal welcome at the door: two different people
handing out different leaflets, and a less formal welcome from
the people seated around us in church.
Was your pew comfortable?
The padded chairs were perfectly fine, and there was plenty of standing for five hymns.
How would you describe the pre-service
We arrived as the choir was filing through to go up to their gallery – whether they had been rehearsing or not I don’t know. The church was already quite full – a much more punctual congregation than I am used to – and the people were quietly chatting.
What were the exact opening words of the
"Welcome!" Following the first hymn and the Lord's
Prayer, the minister welcomed everyone again and gave the notices,
including the invitation to stay for a fellowship lunch after
the service. At this point we all shared the peace, followed
by the children's talk.
What books did the congregation use during the
The order of service handed out at the door, and the Church Hymnary, 4th Edition.
What musical instruments
Organ, an opus of Wells Kennedy Partnership Ltd of Lisburn,
Did anything distract
I was glancing around, admiring the stunning ceiling and the shape of the space, but there was no particular person or incident that took my attention away from worship.
Was the worship stiff-upper-lip,
happy clappy, or what?
It was structured but relaxed, with plenty of laughter and excellent
singing by choir and congregation. The service was launched
by Ali Pandian, who welcomed us all to church on this sunny
and chilly autumn morning. She then led the call to worship
and introduced us to the theme of "trees" that would
prevail. She talked about the change of seasons and how easy
it is to forget the value of trees, the air they renew, and
their spectacular colours at this time of year. The service
itself was basically a hymn sandwich, including a children’s
talk and a sermon. The minister made a point of thanking the
reader and the organists by name, and the choir as a group.
There was a general air of faith, peace and courtesy.
Exactly how long was the
On a scale of 1-10, how
good was the preacher?
7 Mr Gilmour was very engaging. His talk wasn’t deep,
but it was thoughtful and relevant. He had a lovely voice and
spoke very well. He told his stories in a very entertaining
manner, although I suspect he had detailed notes as he never
got lost or dithered.
In a nutshell, what was
the sermon about?
The theme of the service was the communion of saints, as we
were celebrating All Saints Day. The point in a nutshell was
that we are all part of the communion of saints, and the preacher
illustrated this by describing some people he had known in his
life and ministry. One was a lady in a previous congregation
who evidently had direct communications from God. She would
bring messages to the minister about someone in need in the
parish – sometimes this would be people unknown either to her
or the minister. The next example was a childhood neighbour
who had been a bit of a dragon to the local boys when their
ball strayed into her garden. Every Halloween, this ancient
bastion of the Free Church would invite all the local youngsters
in and then reward them all with cakes and other good things.
Lastly, he talked about how Zacchaeus the tax collector (Luke
19:1-10), following his encounter with Jesus, suddenly shared
his wealth and was led to a new understanding of himself.
Which part of the service
was like being in heaven?
The building was lovely and the choir were excellent. The anthem
and the sung Amen, coming from the choir in the gallery beneath
that magnificent ceiling, were indeed heavenly.
And which part was like being in... er... the other place?
There was nothing hellish. Usually I can have a bit of a rant,
but this time I can only say I was a bit disappointed that the
main Sunday service did not include holy communion.
What happened when you hung around after the service looking lost?
There was no chance of being abandoned in such a friendly church. The minister had invited the congregation to stay for lunch and people reiterated the invitation as we made our way out.
How would you describe the after-service
It would have been a real meal – sadly we had to decline due
to a prior commitment. The minister described it as "ostensibly
free, but we are accepting donations for the work of Amnesty."
I gathered that this is what they do on the first Sunday of
the month, for the benefit of different charities. It would
have been nice to stay.
How would you feel about making this church your regular (where 10 = ecstatic, 0 = terminal)?
7 It was lovely, but I prefer a church where the main
service is the eucharist. However, I suspect that if I actually
lived in Edinburgh I would gravitate here from time to time,
even though I am not Presbyterian.
Did the service make you feel glad to be a
Yes, it did, and glad to be considered part of the communion of saints, even if I don't see myself in that light!
What one thing will you
remember about all this in seven days' time?
Celestial is the word I want to use – the heavenly voices and
the magnificent ceiling on that round room.
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